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Hey, conservatives! Stop trying to gaslight us on Fatima

Joanna Bogle, noted trad-hater and increasingly desperate “conservative” water-carrier, has tried to ridicule the Fatima people and has been thoroughly raked over the coals for it by CWR’s increasingly fed-up readership. A chorus of rather angry sounding messages, demanding that she and her like quit trying to push their Soma on the rest of us. “Stop trying to gaslight us. We’re on to you.”

The boring Third Secret of Fatima
Those who feel the Third Secret ought to be more exciting—and who indulge in conspiracy theories about the “real” secret—are missing out on the greatest and most exciting truth of all.

…which is kind of hilarious, as we watch Putin rattling his sabers at NATO and murdering in Ukraine; a twelve-year old princess installing death camp legislation in Canada; the grinning Pope Pennywise busy dismantling the Catholic Church in Rome and the Murricans setting up a choice between Kang and a clown-nosed Kodos… the hordes of orcs, morlocks and zombies howling for blood at the gates of Europe; the UN shouting at Hungary for refusing to allow them in and the elites of the EU actually really for realsies bowing down to Stan in Switzerland last week…


Yeah, everything’s perfectly all right now… We’re all fine down here. How are you?

Anyway, here’s the comment I left but that didn’t get approved… for some reason…

“…A journalist in the United Kingdom” … so bland a description of someone who is widely known for her loathing for anyone who expresses the slightest doubt of the “everything’s fine, nothing to see here” conservative Catholic position. Nice little slag-piece, CWR, accusing people with serious concerns and unanswered questions of being nuts on a par with UFO-chasers. But it’s not going to work. The Fatima thing isn’t being dragged along by a bunch of disgruntled knuckle-draggers. That embarrassing “denial” concocted by the notoriously mendacious Vatican Press office and claimed to be from Benedict -without the slightest shred of confirmation – is certainly not going to quell the growing concerns that precisely the outcome predicted by the Fatima seers and dozens of other approved visionaries – to wit, a great apostasy starting from “the top” – is unfolding daily before our eyes.

Joanna, just screeching and pointing and calling people nutters isn’t going to make the difficult realities go away and stop bothering you.

[BTW: Catholic World Report… this is what happens when you don’t publish comments; you get featured. You don’t want to be featured, trust me.]

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11 thoughts on “Hey, conservatives! Stop trying to gaslight us on Fatima”

  1. Michael Dowd says:

    Re: Gracielou reference to Malachi Martin. Also, prophetic are his ‘The Decline and Fall of the Roman Church’ and ‘The Jesuits’. Low priced used versions available on Amazon.

    There shouldn’t be any argument about Fatima for those with eyes to see. For some reason most folks are blinded or indifferent to what’s happening in the Church. Maybe it has something to do with being lukewarm.

  2. Fatima Catholic says:

    They shouldn’t be ignoring it. They should be yelling it from rooftops. The events at Fatima show that naturalism is false. It shows that almost every human on earth is deceived: https://disprovenaturalism.blogspot.com

    I now believe that the one reason that many formerly Christian countries are so rich because the devil wants the people the abandon Christianity. Money, power and prosperity tend to make men forgetful of heavenly things, to forget their end and only live for today. There is so much knowledge of science and technology that most do not believe in the Holy Trinity, considering it superstition on a par with paganism. But the miracle of the sun contradicts deism. It is THE miracle for our times. But so few people know of it or try to understand it on rational terms. It contradicts what people have been claiming since the “Enlightenment.”

    Even many priests look down with disdain is what I believe is God’s last warning to mankind, next year to be a hundred years, like the time allotted to people in Noah’s day. 1960 was around the time that Vatican II was called. If John XXIII had no reason to fear that people would think that the third secret involved him he would have revealed it. The Third Secret reveals something about a pope or the papacy, and it is devestating.

  3. GracieLou says:

    The neocon fixin’ to lie rag:

    And it’s one, two, three what’re we fighting for?
    Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn
    Next stop is reign of Stan
    And it’s five, six, seven open up the pearly gates
    Well there ain’t no time to wonder why
    Whoopee! We’re all gonna die.

    Buuut, anyway, the other day, scrounging for something entertaining to listen to whilst cleaning I stumbled upon the interviews M. Martin made with Bernard Janzen, which are less secular than the Bell interviews. I understand Martin is controversial, a “fabulist”, and doubleplusungood and so forth, but (!) but, this thing was recorded in the 90’s and it’s dead on. An absolute bullseye.
    http://youtu.be/9Td4uCcOKe0

  4. Helen in Missouri says:

    I consider it an honor to be disdained by conservatives. Also by socialists, communists and your general run-of- the- mill progressives. I am blackballed by the National Catholic Reporter, some of whose staff I know personally. My comments there are gone within a few minutes, and they will not answer my personal emails.
    Further, I am more polite in my comments than you are in your articles, and I never give my personal opinion; I simply quote Church doctrine and correct factual errors.
    The NCR used to love me because I spent 28 years in prison for acts of anti-nuclear civil disobedience which they quite approved of. But the leftist litmus test is being pro-abortion, homosexuality, transgenderity (I think I made that up; it’s sort of Mary Poppinsish) , and women priests and anti-doctrine, patriarchy, hierarchy, authority and everything else good that came before Vatican II up to and often including the basic dogmas of the Catholic faith. I flunked that test 100%.
    The NCR wouldn’t like you either. Don’t let that worry you.

  5. louiseyvette says:

    Come, Sweet Meteor of Death

    (I’m saying this twice today. For emphasis)

  6. c matt says:

    It was 95 theses, I believe. Unless he had four others in footnotes.

  7. Barbara says:

    The modernist camp does believe that Our Lady appeared to the Fatima Seers and they do believe She wanted us all to pray the Rosary. They believe the consecration of Russia was done, and re-done. The peace Our Lady promised will come as soon as we fix up all the poor, and get rid of all those nasty capitalists. As well, once the Church has embraced all religions (sic) even more peace will come, if that’s possible, given the fix-poor thing.

    What they don’t believe is the subsequence appearances of Our Lord and Our Lady to Lucia after the Fatima apparitions. So truly they don’t see what the fuss is all about. The official take on those messages is that Lucia had been OD-ing on Holy Cards and Holy Books with scary pictures, or some such. However, the messages given out by Sister Lucia have a disturbing quality so modernists and neo-Catholics must quash any talk about nasty stuff that might happen.

    They use the Rosary like a talisman – pray your Rosary every day and nothing bad will happen – not that anything bad will happen…etc. (pardon the play on ‘etc’).

  8. Scott says:

    FYI, your comment is up on the site. CWR is often slow to review and post comments.

  9. Bosco49 says:

    If the full text of the Third Secret of Fatima is so ‘boring’ why was Sister Lucia so paralysed with anxiety about committing it to paper until, finally, doing so following a specific instruction from Our Lady? The ‘interpretation’ of the vision recounted by Cardinal Sodano in the year 2000 surely had the words of the Blessed Mother to dicipher it. The words, ‘terrible’ words, were witheld.

    I’ve read Antonio Socci’s “The Fourth Secret of Fatima” (2009 English Publication, Loreto Publications) a number of times and also Christopher A. Ferrara’s excellent “”The Secret Still Hidden” (2008, Good Counsel Publications).

    In Chapter 4 of Socci’s book, he recounts a face to face interview held on July 5, 2006 between a young Fatima journalist/scholar, Solideo Paolini, and then-Monsignor (later Cardinal) Loris Capovilla during which certain tidbits of information relative to a possible attachment to the Third Secret of Fatima were coyly alluded to by Capovilla. I noticed something a bit odd and disconnected about what Capovilla is quoted as saying when, during a moment of expansiveness about there being anything more regarding the Third Secret he said:

    “Archbishop Capovilla continued to speak, and he began to criticize ‘the ease with which one can take for possessed persons who could simplyhave mental illnesses, from which imprudence-which he of Loreto did notexhibit- one could launch immediately into exorcisms when (while not excluding exorcism as an ultimate possibility) that person could simply be suffering from a mental illness. There could instead have been a needfor confession, Mass, Communion, and if one wishes, a good prayer such as the Rosary.’ There followed some other anecdotes and evaluations of the Popes.”

    I was not there, of course, but I wondered to myself; Where did that bit of extemp come from on Capovilla’s part? ‘Mental illness’? ‘Exorcism’? The context and recounted structure of the conversation did not make it seem Capovilla was speaking of Sister Lucia.

    Curiously, the preceding Chapter refers to Malachi Martin’s 1998 remarks on the Art Bell radio show during which Malachi Martin refers tothe undisclosed part of the Third Secret of Fatima (which Malachi Martin claims to have seen) thus when a caller offers what a priest relative informed him about the contents of the full Secret revealing there would come a Pope ‘who would be under the control of Satan’:

    “Yes, it seems that this person (the caller’s priest relative) would have had the means of reading or would have been given the contents of the Secret. It is sufficiently vague to cause hesitation, but it seems to be that.”

    “A Pope under the control of Satan”?

    Did Capovilla make a slip of the tongue with his talk of ‘exorcism’ and ‘possession’ or was he just rambling? I don’t know if Socci or Paolini or Ferrara have made any connection but it would be interesting to hear their take on it.

    Peace and Pray the Rosary

  10. Rory Donnellan says:

    Useful idiots is a term which can be applied to many trad-bashing pseudoconservative neoCatholics.

  11. Michael says:

    The photo below appeared on the internet some time around 2010. It purports to be the Third Secret, it is in Sr Lucia’s hand:

    http://www.fatimamovement.com/images/img-third-secret-of-fatima/Third-Secret-of-Fatima-large.jpg

    I translates thus,

    “JMJ

    Now I am going to reveal the third fragment of the secret: This part is the apostasy in the Church!

    Our Lady showed us the individual who I describe as the ‘holy Father’ in front of a multitude that was cheering him.

    But there was a difference from a true holy Father, his devilish gaze, this one had the gaze of evil.

    Then, after some moments we saw the same Pope entering a Church, but this Church was the Church of hell; there is no way to describe the ugliness of that place. It looked like a gray cement fortress with broken angles and windows similar to eyes; it had a beak in the roof of the building.

    Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who said to us: You saw the apostasy in the Church; this letter can be opened by the holy Father, but it must be announced after Pius XII and before 1960.

    In the kingdom of John Paul II the cornerstone of Peter’s grave must be removed and transferred to Fatima.

    Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority will be removed and delivered to Fatima.

    The cathedral of Rome must be destroyed and a new one built in Fatima.

    If 69 weeks after this order is announced, Rome continues its abomination, the city will be destroyed.

    Our Lady told us that this is written,[in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44”

    69 weeks after the signing of Amoris Laetetia falls the one hundredth anniversary of the giving of the three secrets, July 13th, 2017. The church in question is Holy Trinity Basilica in Fatima, truly a hideous building. During the papacy of JPll the cornerstone of st Peter’s tomb was moved there.
    https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Church+of+the+Holy+Trinity/@39.6302917,-8.6768389,609m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd189d3b966a57dd:0x324e4d8eec08c5ad!8m2!3d39.629672!4d-8.6752832

    Looked at as an aerial view it is situated like a dragon waiting to “devour her offspring” (Rev 12:4).

    2017 happens also to be the 500th anniversary of M Luther’s 99 theses, which were inspired by a Medici pope’s selling of indulgences to build the St Peter’s basilica that we have now in Rome (the “cathedral in Rome” from the above text) which arguably started the entire mess in which we now find ourselves.

    Of course the letter could be fake…but then the forger managed to hit every note with precision and prescience. It is self explanatory,as well, as to why a a pope might suppress it’s contents.

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