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On nuns and ex-popes

Just some further reading. I’ve been pretty busy in the last week or so doing stuff for $$ on the new nun document.

You can read my first bit on it at the Remnant here.

“I believe that one of the major causes of the great collapse of Catholicism has been the torpedoing of the religious life. And make no mistake, that was done deliberately, consciously and with great malice. I believe that the two things that had to happen to effect the result we have seen, was the attack first on the Mass and then on the religious. It was necessary to stopper up the two great conduits of grace into the lives of the Faithful, the Holy Sacrifice and the life consecrated to prayer and penance. Both have been nearly destroyed by the revolutionaries, and what survives of both are now under renewed attack.

Chris Ferrara followed up with a few extra notes of his own on the irony of the “pope of inclusion” calling people to “go out to the peripheries” forbidding monasteries to recruit from other countries:

“Notice that this provision does not per se forbid recruitment of novices solely to insure the survival of a monastery, which could be understood to address the hasty recruitment of ill-suited candidates in order to keep things going. Rather, it forbids only recruitment from other countries for that purpose. That is, the Pope of Inclusion, the Pope who rails constantly against ‘walls’ that restrict immigration, now makes national origin alone a criterion for exclusion from every convent-monastery in the world.

And Chris again, the busy little bee (how fast does the guy type, anyway?) followed with more on the same subject at Catholic Family News:

With his apostolic constitution Vultum Dei Quaerere (“Seeking the face of God”) (VDQ), dropped like a blockbuster bomb during his vacation, Francis mandates sweeping changes in every cloistered convent in the world, requiring the adoption of new constitutions and “forms of cloister” to be approved by the Vatican and centralizing control over all local cloisters. The liberal La Stampa approvingly summarizes the document as a whole, thus: “Francis mandates wide changes for contemplative women religious, requests revision of all constitutions.” Catholic News Agency hails the “new norms focused on prayer, centralization.”

And on another topic, we’ve finally heard from someone at the higher levels saying what we all know.

Brandmuller: Benedict’s resignation legal, but disastrous.

a pope emeritus is extraneous to the whole canonistic-theological tradition.

The resignation of the pope is possible (can. 332 § 2). That does not mean it is also certain to be morally licit. Liceity requires objective institutional reasons, directed to the “bonum commune Ecclesiae,” not personal reasons. One example of resignation is that of Gregory XII, made in 1415 to put an end to the schism. Pius VII and Pius XII also prepared bulls of resignation in case of imprisonment by Napoleon or Hitler.

From the pastoral point of view, however, it seems particularly urgent to combat the error – widely diffused in the situation created with the resignation of Benedict XVI – of maintaining that, through the resignation, the ministry of successor of Peter is stripped of its unique and sacred character and put on the same level as temporary democratic functions.

Today there is an urgent danger that this secular-political understanding of the papacy could lead to the point that from then on a pope could be issued, as are the occupants of secular positions, requests to resign when the person of the pope or his exercise of the office may meet with opposition.

“….the resignation of a pope presupposes – and at the same time creates – a very dangerous ecclesial situation. At this moment there is no lack of persons or groups that follow the retired pope and that, dissatisfied with what has happened, could threaten the unity of the Church and even provoke a schism. It seems, therefore, that a future juridical regulation of the papal resignation might not exclude this perspective.

Maybe if his successor were recognisably a Catholic this might be a somewhat less pressing problem. Perhaps future canons should consider making not being a heretic a more explicit job requirement.


“The first necessity is the integration of can. 332 § 2, which establishes only that the pope’s resignation of office ‘libere fiat et rite manifestetur.’ The reference – an obvious one – to canons 185 and 186 that generally regulate the resignation of an ecclesiastical office is not suited for the exceptional case of the resignation of the pope. Moreover, the simple declaration of free resignation on the part of the person in question is not enough, because depending on the circumstances that statement could easily be forced, and the resignation therefore be invalid.

Such situations could lead to a schism. It is therefore indispensable to establish the procedure for certifying the effective freedom of the act. It is not enough to say that the act is valid until the contrary is proven because – since the pope is involved here – the resignation must be followed immediately by the election of the successor.


“Such situations could lead to a schism.”


WTF is wrong with these people?


Meantime, I’m doing some stuff, that might end up being useful to some people who have for a long time been ignored by the Church.

I’d appreciate some prayers that I don’t screw it up.


12 thoughts on “On nuns and ex-popes”

  1. Janet Wilkie says:

    Thank you for the helpful advice. I am not familiar with any of them, and didn’t know the difference. Will try Diivinum Officium.

  2. mark docherty says:

    Prayers for your continuing work.

  3. Barbara says:

    Janet Wilkie, try Divinum Officium which gives the Divine Office in several ‘versions’ such as pre-Tridentine Monastic, that of Pius X, and the 1962 one. They use the Douay for English, and also for the Latin. The full Little Office of Our Lady is available there too. It is is a treasure!

  4. Hilary White says:

    Universalis is only the Novus Ordo and Liturgy of the Hours. No Traditional Mass or monastic Divine Office.

  5. Janet Wilkie says:

    Hi Hilary

    Just found a site: They have the prayers for the hours and the Mass readings for each day nice and handy and neatly printed out. Perfect for nunjas. You might want to link it to the new site, since the work seems to have already been done.

  6. Kate says:

    I will keep you in my prayers. May your efforts be blessed

  7. Remnant clergy says:

    The pope emeritus nonsense is a true novelty never seen in the history of the Church. That should be a sufficient sign by itself. There is no such thing.

  8. Andrew Dunn says:

    This is all very disturbing. Up next on his agenda I fear will be a marginalization and eventual shut-down of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, the Institute of Christ the King and any other order that says the Traditional Latin Mass (the SSPX is looking like a future refuge). I am praying daily that God will remove this heretic from the Chair of St. Peter and send us a holy man who will get to work, undoing all the confusion and damage that Bergoglio has and continues to do.

  9. louiseyvette says:

    Will pray for your work, Hilary.

  10. Mike Jamison says:

    There is a schism already. It’s de facto as opposed to de jure, but it is between tradition and Nuchurch. It is on display for all to see at parishes such as mine where Mass is celebrated according to both the Gregorian Rite and the N.O.

    We have one priest, the Pastor, who is strictly N.O. and all that that implies. The other is a priest in residence, a Norbertine, a liturgist, and very traditional. There is virtually no intercourse between the two groups of parishioners. The TLM folks never attend the N.O. and the N.O. never attend the TLM. When “our” priest has to say the N.O. once a month, he usually gets negative feedback from the N.O. group because of his homilies, which are “too strict and not inclusive” as he speaks of sin, hell, the evils of ecumenism etc., and that he celebrates ad orientem and discourages the Eucharist in the hand. Luckily, he and the local ordinary are good friends. In any event, the “schism” between the two groups could not be wider, and we in effect have two churches. It’s real, and visible, but not officially recognized. One day it will be, especially under the current pontifical regime. It’s only a matter of time.

  11. Evangeline10 says:

    I almost wish for a schism. I know it’s probably terrible to say that and there could be million good and proper responses, but frankly, I don’t care. I am tired of this papacy and seeing our poor wreck of a church, dragged through the mire of hostile words and actions by this pope and his un-Catholic and/or Marxist maneuvers, and the effeminate and weak sycophants that comprise 99.9% of our Cardinals and bishops. I’m tired of the ham-handed treatment, the retribution, the threats, to anyone in the church who dares to speak up to defend Catholicism. I’m tired of the attacks against tradition, and the fact that faithful, tradition-minded Catholics are being so horribly abandoned.
    That we have a pope who refuses to teach reality as it pertains to Islam, who encourages the faithful to continue to take in the means of our own destruction, but who refuses to acknowledge the truth about Islam in the face of a priest being martyred on European soil, may be the last thing. We understand, with heavy hearts, that our brothers and sisters in the Middle East have been decimated by Islamists. We waited as well as they did, for an appropriate verbal and actual response to their plight, but none came. Their suffering has been seen by God, but not by this pope, who continues to tell his sheep that they are hateful if they do not open their nations and homes to Islamists.
    This is just inexcusable at this point. These mere men can no longer be believed or trusted.

  12. Michael Dowd says:

    Will be praying for you and the Church Hilary. Things just keep getting worse with “Pope” Francis.

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